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  • As this has been a fairly constant thing for the past few months, I decided to make a thread on it.

    According to Sly 2, Arpeggio is never said to be the leader of the Klaww Gang. Things are implied, but nothing is ever explicitly stated. However, in Thieves in Time during one of the loading screens it is said that Arpeggio was the leader of the Klaww Gang. I do remember that.

    The main problem here is this: was Sanzaru making an assumption? Yes, they absolutely were. But that doesn't discredit their word. Just like how Conner Cooper was not named officially until the Sly Collection official strategy guide. That was an assumption made by the writer of the guide based on poor research, but since the guide is official, that means that Sly's father's name is Conner. (Read more on that fiasco here.)

    Following that logic, since Thieves in Time is an official piece of Sly Cooper media, Arpeggio is indeed the leader of the Klaww Gang. I've locked both "Arpeggio" and "Klaww Gang" for the next week to prevent edit warring.

    Please discuss here.

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    • I'll start the discussion. But before I do, note that the article "Canon" is by no means an official meter of "canonicity"; however, it does describe what is or isn't canon based on our Wiki's standards and beliefs. Basically, Sony has not said what is or isn't canon, so there is no official meter of "canonicity," thus we (the Wiki) created our own.

      A quote from our canon: "If information within these four games is contradictory, then the more recent release's information takes precedence. However, if the contradictory information in a newer release was more fleshed out in a previous release, then the older release's information takes precedence and the contradictory information is viewed as a mistake or oversight on the part of the creators." Is this a case of a mistake by a newer release? Can the lack of information on the Klaww Gang's leader in Sly 2 be seen as "more fleshed out" than a single sentence trivia point in Thieves in Time? Is the information in Sly 2 and Thieves in Time even contradictory?

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    • Oh, I forgot about that fun fact in Thieves in Time. If that's the case, then it might be true. I might be wrong, but didn't Sucker Punch see how the game turned out? I feel like if they saw the little fun fact about Arpeggio, they would have suggested that Sanzaru tweak that info.

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    • FinalSmash11 wrote:
      Oh, I forgot about that fun fact in Thieves in Time. If that's the case, then it might be true. I might be wrong, but didn't Sucker Punch see how the game turned out? I feel like if they saw the little fun fact about Arpeggio, they would have suggested that Sanzaru tweak that info.

      No, they didn't. In an interview, Brian Fleming said that they really had nothing to do with the development (mostly just handing over sound resources if and when Sanzaru needed them) and didn't want to take any credit away from Sanzaru, because they thought the game was great.

      But I agree: even though I don't much like that Sanzaru did it, they did do it. So Arpeggio was the leader.

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    • Arpeggio being the leader of the Klaww Gang seems to be the only logical thing. The operation of the Klaww Gang needs a leader to keep everything under control. He is very smart and some of the other Klaww Gang members behave as his henchmen i.e Rajan and Jean Bison. Arpeggio appears to be the only one fitting that role. Rajan quotes he is not the leader, The Contessa is just sending hypnotic transmissions to Arpeggio, Jean Bison clearly behaves as Arpeggio's henchman and Neyla is quoted to be Arpeggio's protege.

      As for Dimitri, no question he is not the leader. Can you guys even imagine Dimitri as the leader of the Klaww Gang?

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    • Arpegio had the Clockwerk Brain... Think the answer is pretty clear.

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